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Welcome to Be My Eyes. Can You Top This? interview of which we saw your story and thought it was really cool and are now calling you about it. Just for context, I'm Danielle Montour-Lane. I am the community manager at Be My Eyes. And we are talking to...
And I am Danny Acosta. And yeah, I have a YouTube channel. I do a little bit of everything there. And I'm also a self-published author. And I love poetry among helping people and advocating for folks with visual impairment and other disabilities.
Okay. And am I remembering correctly you actually work with blind and low vision folks most of the time?
Most of the time?
That's right. So I'm actually the vocational rehab counselor for the Northeast region of Massachusetts. So I work for the Mass Commission for the Blind.
Oh, very cool. Yeah.
How long have you been working at MCB?
About three years now.
Okay.
Yeah, I love it. It's so awesome. It's like, you know, I used to be a client, then now I became a counselor. So it's great.
What was that like?
You know, it was very interesting because back in 2014, I lost my sight in one week. And then I went through a very crazy health crisis. By the end of the year, this was all in Los Angeles.
And by the end of the year, I moved to Massachusetts, where they told me, even out in California, they have the Braille Institute. And they told me, you know, MCB is like the greatest in Massachusetts. You're going to have great resources. I came out here, went to Carroll Center for the Blind, was connected with MCB.
And, oh, my gosh, I mean, they helped me with so much technology, how to use JAWS, how to use other kind of, you know, assistive technology. And eventually I graduated with my master's. And I always looked at the jobs they had and was very inspired by my counselor at the time, everywhere between Kara, all the way to Amy, who was my counselor before I got this job, which was her job before me.
And it's so awesome to help people that are going through what I went through and being able to provide them the resources and, you know, the conversations we have. It's like, it's a nostalgic thing. I'm kind of going back in time all the time with clients that are fresh to visual impairment, but are also probably more experienced than I am. But just, you know, navigating the employment world, which is evolving all the time.
Absolutely. So how old were you when you lost your vision? Because you said you went on to get your master's. So you had to navigate education and access tech pretty much all in one go. Yeah.
Oh yeah. I mean, you know, to there, there's a short clip of it and a graduation speech on it. If you guys want to find it on YouTube, but basically in 2014, I lost my sight in one week. I lost 45 pounds. I had chronic, I got chronic kidney failure all in that span of that week.
And then in a span of seven months, I was hospitalized 13 times. I had 19 surgeries, a stroke, two seizures, and then I was given three months of life. And three months later, instead of passing away, I had both of my eyes removed. So I just was in the hospital all the time.
And then finally, when I finally got to the carol center, I finally had the opportunity to really sit down in front of a laptop in between JAWS and, you know, NVDA, but also in between dialysis sessions.
And whenever I had the energy, I would force myself to learn braille. I would force myself to learn JAWS. Even when I was in my room, I was like, you know, I'm kind of like a problem solver. So it was like, I could wait till my next class, but let me just Google it. Maybe I could find something. And this is, you know, 2015. This is back then when Google didn't have a whole lot of JAWS information. So it was challenging.
But like I tell people practice does make perfect. And the more time you put into it, oh my gosh, the more you're going to hone JAWS. So, uh, and eventually, you know, be my eyes came out, which was like super helpful because God knows we need it. Oh my goodness. It's been great.
So when did you start using be my eyes pretty soon after I got here?
Um, probably a little after I got here. Once I was made aware of it, I can't remember, you know, it's funny. Before this, I looked up the year and I'm like, man, when was it?
It was that. But I remember the first time I used it, um, the audio quality was already great. And I wasn't too worried about the camera kind of quality on my end. I just wanted something. I just needed some clarity. And the first time I, I used it was actually to get an outfit together. Um, you know, to go to school. And I was like, really brave, you know, and I used to dress like a skater or whatever. And I was like, yeah, but I'm grown up. I'm not in high school.
I got to dress up a little more like a young adult. And so that's what I did. And from there, I just started using it for school. I started using it for studying and, you know, kind of describing images and being able to get study done with graphs and things like that.
And even little things in life, right? Like being able to find my Lyft or my Uber, being able to, uh, see a menu. This was before, you know, the Meta Ray-Bans or AI was able to read stuff. So Be My Eyes was always very helpful. And of course now we have Be My AI. So, which is really, really helpful as well.
And so you were talking about, um, you were talking about in the story, you mentioned a few things that I thought were really cool. One of which was, um, and it seems like kind of this stemming from your own experience of doing a lot of just sort of throwing darts at the wall and finding things that stuck, especially when you were in the middle of dialysis sessions and were literally held captive and could do nothing else.
Um, so it seems like you've kind of really got this sort of, you know, throw things until they stick attitude. And that kind of inspired some of your more recent stories with clients about how one of them you mentioned in our story has some mobility related disabilities and you were showing them how to use the Meta Ray-Bans to do some cooking stuff. Yeah.
So this particular, uh, we'll say a client, um, amazing, amazing, incredible young lady. So she in particular has mobility issues. So both of her hands are kind of like they're inward. So she has no mobility, uh, strength. She can't use her fingers for anything. And she's very limited, but then she's also completely blind. So you throw both of those things together and she has a lot of body fatigue.
So it's like, how can you possibly, um, get in, into employment? How can you go shopping independently on your own? And so I talked to her about Be My Eyes and I was like, you know, one, I know that there's things that are private, like, Hey, how does this dress look on me? So you might want to do the, you know, like now Be My Eyes has this great feature where you can put a group of contacts, like family members and things like that, your girlfriends and stuff. So you can call them, but there might also be times where you want to call them.
Surprise your family and friends. So you can just call Be My Eyes. And it's hands-free now with, you know, thanks to Ray-Ban metaglasses and so forth, where you can do these things that you didn't have access to.
And she doesn't have to worry about using her hands to put the camera up to a certain angle, to put it in the mirror, to turn it around, you know, kind of troubleshooting all of that because it's all already on this wearable device.
And so with that, it's been very helpful. It's been amazing to see her. Now she can go in the kitchen. Now she can start looking at ingredients. She can start cooking on her own. She can start using the computer on her own. She can start dressing herself up.
So I think one of the most amazing things that I've heard from her is that she's so motivated to go back to work. She's motivated to go into the workforce and, you know, she wants to get a front desk job. And it's like, you know what? I think you're going to be an amazing front clerk.
I think a lot of people are going to be excited to see you there. So being able to have her independence back through Be My Eyes has been so, so, such a blessing.
That's really neat. And I'm, I'm guessing, so is the commission sort of also along with help, kind of along with obviously the access tech training, I say obviously, but just as a background for folks who might not be aware, especially those outside the US, this is kind of, and Danny will say it much better than I will, I'm sure.
But we have state agencies in the US that are, they're there. And one of the ways that they do things, they call it like a voc rehab counselor or like a job preparedness counselor.
So somebody might come in and do some independent living skills training with blind folks. So that might be Braille or travel with a long white cane or a guide dog if they have one or cooking or access tech or even just computer literacy if they don't have that.
So in, in my question to Danny about what, what they teach that this is kind of the background of that. So what I was going to ask you, Danny is, do you guys at MCB kind of do a lot with Meta Ray Bands and Be My Eyes in general? Like, is that kind of a collaboration that you're teaching all of your students or clients now?
Yeah, we're pushing it on both frontiers, right? So on a personal line, we push it. But let's talk about the professional way. So as a vocational rehab counselor, my job is to help folks with visual impairment, get employment. We'll cut it down to three kind of branches. Orientation and mobility, which is white cane training, mobility around the home, at your job, so forth.
Then there's assistive technology, everything from laptop to tablets, to your phone, everything like that, magnifiers and so forth. And then there's rehab teaching, which is everything at home. So cooking, cleaning, labeling appliances, using the washer, the dryer, organizing yourself and so forth.
The biggest way we use Meta Ray Bands and the way we push it is really in that rehab teaching place because everything starts at home. You practice the most at home. This is where you can actually take them out or even with Be My Eyes, you can use them. And there's also people that we have that don't have motor skills issues, right? So even those people can use them at home and be able to find certain colors, thread a sweater up or sew a sweater, things like that.
But then there's the assistive technology piece. Like we have to, as visually impaired people, we have to adapt to obstacles every single day. And in evolving with that and evolving with technology, we have to learn how to use Be My Eyes in very tricky, but also very cool new ways.
Like there is no limit to Be My Eyes from my experience. And with orientation and mobility, I mean, come on, like how many times have you ordered an Uber or Lyft and it's across the street diagonally? And it's like, oh my gosh, I'm calling them. They're not answering.
But guess what? If I have Be My Eyes, I could just whip it out, look around left to right and then boom. OK. And not only will I find the vehicle, now I can also cross the street in a safe way to get to the vehicle that I need to get to. And this stands true for students, for people going into a training program, for people going into an internship and also for people going into the workforce, which more people are feeling more comfortable.
And because Be My Eyes did this collaboration with being on Ray-Ban Metaglasses, it just helps us as visually impaired people be hands-free, which is so, so crucial, you know? So that's kind of how we've been pushing it.
And of course, on the personal line, because I do a lot of advocacy outside of Mass Commissioner for the Blind, I always recommend it. Honestly, even with people that are not visually impaired, it's been very helpful.
They might be low vision, but they may not be eligible for MCB. Maybe they're not registered as visually impaired or as low vision. For folks that need reading glasses, sometimes, you know, spices are very, very small text sometimes. So that comes in handy. Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. One of the things I always say to folks is that a big section of Be My Eyes users who I really want to see, feel empowered to use Be My Eyes aren't the blind and low vision people, but the people who can't see very well.
The ones who are not quite there in understanding that they actually might qualify for blind and low vision services or they're just in that weird gray area between like maybe their vision is changing over time or it's kind of like they're getting to be more and more low vision as time goes on.
Any of that sort of thing. So it's really cool to hear you say about folks who might just even need reading glasses using Be My Eyes as well.
And Danielle, I'll even say one of the things that I love about Be My Eyes is how much it's boost confidence. Like before I got married, you know, I would I'm not even kidding you.
I would use Be My Eyes to look up menus online of restaurants that my girlfriend at the time I would want to take her to. And it just felt so good knowing like, hey, this is where the you know, the building is.
This is what the what's on the menu. If she would ask like, oh, do you recommend anything? Honestly, now I know what to recommend because I've read through it. And I would also feel confident knowing that I prepared.
And so Be My Eyes was a very, I would say, the cornerstone of a lot of the dating part of my life, especially with my wife and how it led me to this day.
And I know this is going to sound cringy, but yes, I have used it even during my my wedding.
I was able to take a picture of my wife and, you know, I was able to ask Be My Eyes like, what does she look like?
Tell me about her. Like, what does the dress look like? And, you know, because I'm able to chat with the Be My AI part.
It was really, really cool. We could go to a museum. It'll describe paintings for me and I can just interact with it in a way where I now I can let my wife do her thing.
But I can also do my thing. And, you know, we still have different interests, so she might want to go to a certain part.
I want to go to a certain part. But we both get a full experience of what we get to do.
It just gives you choices. You don't have to go with her to her stuff. You can go to your stuff.
We're going to have a wedding and that's cringy. And I just had my wedding in December. So I'm still lovesick with weddings.
How did you how was that? How was it figuring like kind of hearing not from someone who's kind of I don't know, like I feel like we can often say people are a little like, quote unquote, obligated to say that we look good. Right.
But like, how did you how did you feel about the description that be my A.I. gave you about her wedding dress and how she looked?
I fell in love again. I was like, oh, my gosh, I knew my wife was beautiful because her personality, her character, you know, things like that.
But when be my A.I. described her dress, it made me feel like I could see her at my wedding.
I felt like I could see her at the altar standing across from me. And, you know, I know this again, cringy. Right.
But those who get it, get it kind of thing. Like I asked my pastor before we were up there.
Is it OK if I just feel my wife's dress because now I know what it looks like, but I want to get the true feeling of the visual piece through, you know, through through tactile feeling.
And when I felt the silk on her dress and the all the like beautiful, you know, how it's all embellished and everything, it just really tied it all up together.
So I have to thank be my eyes a lot for being able to help me see my wife on the day of our wedding.
Well, it's almost as if blind people actually do care how our partners look, you know, and by the way, when I took I asked be my be my A.I.
What do I look like? And I got to say, I was slightly my confidence was boosted.
I just got to work on it because it said picture Jason Statham without the muscles.
I was like, OK, OK, I could do that.
That's really cool. That's really, really cool.
I actually had be my A.I. describe my wedding photo as well when I was putting it up.
Someone a co-worker I'd be my eyes actually did a really fun job describing things.
But because male clothing is a little like less intricate and elaborate than a wedding dress.
My husband's photo side of the photo description was just kind of like, what do you say, man?
It's a black suit.
And I was like, OK.
So I wanted to be my eyes and I asked it to I wanted to be my A.I.
and asked him to describe his photo in a bit more detail and got the boutonniere and that sort of stuff.
So it was really cool. It kind of makes me happy to hear someone else use be my A.I. for wedding stuff, too.
And I used be my A.I. to practice how to tie a tie before the wedding.
So, you know.
Oh, did you? So did you ask for instructions on how to tie a better knot?
Or how did you kind of get the feedback on how good your knot was?
So I actually for this one, I called a volunteer and to be a male.
And what was really cool is that this particular volunteer, I think he I don't know if he said he worked or was the owner of a like bride and tuxedo rental thing.
And he was like, OK, this is what you're going to do.
And I'm there like looking at myself in the mirror with him on the camera, the whole thing.
And after a few tries, we figured it out, you know, so it was pretty cool.
Yeah, that's really cool. And he would have had to do it in reverse as well.
If he was looking in the mirror, that's really neat.
Yeah, it was awesome. It was fun, very patient.
But, you know, he has that practice. So he was very descriptive and it really did help.
So, again, it boosted my confidence.
It gave me that part of my life back.
So I didn't have to get to the, you know, the church thinking like, oh, my gosh, this is going to be a disaster.
What am I going to do?
That's really, really cool.
So do you have your own Meta Ray Bums?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So crowd. So it seemed you actually gave me an idea about using Meta Ray Bums in the mirror, by the way, because like I pretty much just like don't ever use the mirror.
I just do like really inventive camera angles with my phone.
And now I'm thinking that maybe I could start doing the like the full length mirror situation with my glasses.
So thank you for the inspiration.
But my question was going to be about your the records you got.
Oh, OK, so where I am now, I just bought a condo.
And again, believe it or not, I used Be My Eyes to get a tour of the condo because, you know, the seller is going to paint it beautiful.
But I want to get a non-biased perspective on it.
So along with my wife, there were times where I had to come and see it myself, you know, with with my wife's description, because she also just wanted to move out from where we were.
But my friend who had another condo that we almost bought, he wanted to get rid of a lot of stuff.
And among all of that stuff, I was like, you know, I'm really into like 60s, 70s, like rock and roll.
Think of like the Beatles, like the door, you know, different kind of music from the past.
He's like, well, I want to give you a gift.
And among a ton of beautiful gifts that he gave us, one of them being the I don't know if you heard of the there's a statue called the Thinker.
He also gave me these albums, these vinyl records. Oh, my gosh.
I did not realize how beautiful and colorful album art was back then.
I feel like some things are so minimalist now, it kind of lost its touch.
But back then they were so like psychedelic and creative and it's so awesome.
And I was able to organize them like alphabetical order, but also like by band and by which one I like more, which one I like least in the order of the band.
And it's so cool. Like what was your favorite album art that you learned about while you were sorting everything?
Oh, I would probably say. I think it would probably be a John Lennon one.
I remember it was like it has some like very heavenly vibes to it, but it was also very psychedelic at the same time.
I don't remember the name of the album. That was like when I, you know, I submitted my my entry to this, but it was really, really beautiful.
It just gave me this like peaceful thing. You know, when I think of the song Imagine, I do imagine like, um, it transcended what I feel when I hear the song.
I feel like that was transcended on this art. And, um, you know, the Yoko Ono Elephant Band, those were really psychedelic as well.
So kind of like that mix. I really love that kind of art, you know, almost like almost bordering like, um, Salvador Dali kind of paintings, you know?
So, so how have you been able to, I'm just going to think about this because you, you could see you had full vision right before you lost your vision.
Yeah.
Yeah. So you have a really, you have a very kind of loaded visual memory with a lot of, I'm sure you saw tons of art, all kinds of things in your memory before you were blind.
So how did it kind of help you to picture in your brain, all the colors and all like kind of reminding you with your visual memory based on the descriptions where they kind of detailed enough to do that for you?
Well, believe it or not, uh, I'm actually a graffiti artist. So when I was cited, Oh yeah. When I was cited, I used to do graffiti a lot, um, legally and not legally.
Uh, you know, that's just what it was. Right. But we, we would go on billboards. We will go on skyscrapers. We will go on water towers, you know, in, in all of all across Southern California.
And so I have a really good grasp on color theory on, on shapes and angles and things like that. When I got be my eyes, I asked the AI, I was like, Hey, what do you think it says?
Because not every graffiti piece is distinguishable in terms of lettering. Right. And because of the style that it was in, there were times where I was like, Oh, I know who that artist is. I so know who that artist is, you know?
So that was very helpful, but even knowing color, like, uh, what is the difference between saffron, crimson, rouge, ruby, like, you know, there's different hues of red or like there's this artist that I like.
Uh, his name is mirror one. He's a graffiti slash like fine art painter. And he has very distinct, um, a way of using like futuristic, but also very political artists kind of thing.
But I love his work with, uh, hues like shading and, um, using like very futuristic anatomy. So, you know, sometimes they look like aliens and things like that.
But the way that be my AI describes it, it helps me get a better idea of how he's evolved as an artist, because I've been visually, I've been completely blind for 12 years.
So artists evolve with time. And so I go back and I even ask you like, what do my friends look like now? Like, how do they dress now? You know, back then girls used to wear like, like a feather clips in their hair.
You used to look like hippies, the ones I used to hang out with. And now they look totally different, right? Like, in my life.
Are they cosplaying as adults now?
Yeah, well, you know, like, like, to me, I still look 22.
Mm hmm. I know I don't look that way. But to me, that's what I look like. Because that's the last thing I saw in me. And, um, I do love it. You know, and I just have, I have a one year old, I just had a baby.
So even with that, you know, I use be my AI to be like, what does he look like? You know, like, um, what is his facial features like? What are his eye color? Oh, my gosh. Because you know, it takes time before the eye color develops in the eyes. I would ask it every day. Like, I want to know the eye color of this baby.
Yeah.
How do you take pictures of him every day? I feel like I would.
Oh, yes. Yeah. And, you know, kind of like, you know, I mentioned I was on dialysis. I actually received the transplant in 2019.
I'm from a young man named Cyrus, who unfortunately passed away the day before. So he was a deceased donor. But in honor of him, I actually named my son Daniel Cyrus, Daniel being my middle name, and Cyrus being his name.
So Cyrus had blue eyes. So we were like, I wonder because of the kidney, you know, you're like, what if he has like bluish brown eyes? I don't know. Like, and of course, it doesn't work that way. But, you know, kind of like in the heart, you know, like, your heart kind of says, like, I really hope my son, other than the name, I really hope my son has some form of feature. And maybe it's going to be in the personality traits. But um, he does have a little bit of his hair from what I've heard. So.
Wow. That's really interesting. So how do you connect with your art now? I'm assuming you haven't stopped doing art.
I used to paint words. Now I paint using words. So words are my paint. And I paint pictures, I paint stories, I paint all these beautiful things that I can only do with words now. Like, yeah, I can get a brush and I can do this and that and the other.
And I still have some of like the what we call like, um, uh, can control, which is you know how to flare spray paint, you know how to do thin lines or thick lines, you know, so that you don't get out of the line kind of thing.
Um, so I still have some of that even when I sign people always tell me like, Oh my gosh, you have a beautiful signature. Um, but really, it's, it's going back to poetry, like, I can do freestyle poetry, I asked people when I do like open mic nights, give me three random words, and I'll do a poem for you.
And they're all romantic, right. So that's really where my art is now. And, um, it's also in fragrances. I love like just the poetry of fragrances. So I love citrus fragrances. So I love to do poetry on fragrances like that.
And even flavors like, um, you know, I'll do like a wine tasting or something like that, or I'll do like food tasting and really be able to draw out a lot of that flavor and put it on paper, you know, and Oh, so would be my eyes.
And I'll go to a place and you know, we went to this really luxurious, uh, restaurant and that I plan this whole like day for my wife and blah, blah, blah. We did a whole treasure hunt for her by we, I mean, be my eyes and I, and you know, when we got to the restaurant, I got to ask be my eyes.
Like, what do you see? Because my wife was in awe. I mean, it was for our two year anniversary. So huge chandelier, beautiful place, you know, plushy pillows all over the booth. Like just amazing.
And the way be my eyes helped me navigate that amazing luxurious restaurant and the, the, um, the menu and everything like that. It was, and we made sure that we got that sunset picture. So I'm looking forward to seeing how be my eyes will describe that picture.
That's amazing. That sounds recent then.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was, uh, April.
Wow. Well, congrats.
Yeah. Thank you.
Yeah. Thank you. Well, no, April, April six. Sorry. Yeah. Cause April 23rd was my baby's birthday.
Oh, oh, that's really cool.
Yeah.
My son, my, my baby still believes that I'm, you know, he thinks I'm sighted. Right. So, uh, every time I take a picture of him or, you know, the other day we went to the park, I was able to take pictures of him taking his first steps.
And, you know, I just love that I can do that. And I love that, um, be my AI can help me describe those moments because I love putting things together for my wife.
I love putting like these photo collages for her and poetry with it and things like that. Um, but I wouldn't be able to do that if I didn't have be my eyes with me.
You know, I would have to call somebody, hopefully they're available, then plan a date where they can do a video call, blah, blah. Like it's a whole process, but would be my eyes.
I have access to somebody right then and there. And I've never to this day, I've never had a bad experience. It's always been really, really good.
And I think the worst, uh, probably the worst experience I had was one time, just the audio didn't connect. Like that's it, you know? So that, and that's not anything to complain about. So it's always been, uh, very, very helpful for me. And in all areas of life, as I mean, as you can tell, you know, so.
That's a really, really cool story. And it seems like you, am I kind of getting correctly that you might use be my eyes volunteers more than you use be my AI?
Uh, yeah, yeah, definitely. So with volunteers, the reason I do it though, is because sometimes, um, it's, it's in the moment, right? Like, and when something's in the moment, I'm usually not using it when I'm at home and I'm relaxing.
It's always like, okay, I gotta get productive. I, you know, to give you an idea right now, I'm about to publish, which you guys are invited to, uh, August 22nd, just look it up. It'll be online soon. Uh, August 22nd, great rock church in Danvers, Massachusetts. We're going to be launching my brand new book. It's called butterflies. And it's about, uh, seven women who have gone through different kinds of trauma, abuse, sexual trafficking, teen pregnancies, and so forth.
And we're going to be donating all the royalties to women, uh, young, young women who have experienced any of those, uh, kind of categories. And so for this event, um, I'm always using it. Like, okay, what should my book cover look like? What is trending in the book cover world in romantic poetry? What do I want to decorate the place? Like, what do I want to wear? What do I want the artists to wear? What I want the dancers and so forth? Like, you know, it's always in the moment.
But on top of being, you know, self-published author, I'm also a professional interpreter. I'm a counselor. I'm also a faith-based counselor outside of my day to day. I do preaching. I do motivational speaking. So I have a thousand gigs going on, on top of being a father and being a husband and so forth. You know, so I rarely have time to sit down and say, I'm going to look through a few pictures. It's usually like, all right, let me pull it out. Let me get this done. And let's keep going. Let's keep going.
Um, but it has helped me be as productive as I am. Like from my first book to this book, there would have been no way I could have done it this fast. There's just no way. Like having beat my eyes at my hands helped me a lot. I literally used it today before this call, you know?
I have one more question, which is how many hours a week of sleep do you get between about one and four?
Oh, I don't, I do not encourage people to do what I do in terms of sleep. I will let them know now. If you're watching, get sleep. Um, it does wear you down. I think I probably get maybe like on a good day, maybe five, five, six hours a night. That's on a good day, but that rarely happens. It's usually between three and five. Yeah.
We'll check back in about two years and see how many hours you're getting then. I feel like it's going to be like two.
Well, you know, before I had, you know, before I was married and before I had a baby, it was very similar because that's around the time I did my first book.
When you love what you do, Danielle, you, you probably know this as much as I do. Like there's something about your inspiration, something about what you love to do keeps you up.
It's just like, I don't know if the right word is ambition or addiction, or I don't know what you want to call it. Passion.
But something about it is like, I want to go to sleep, but I am so looking forward to this project that I can. And then I had a baby and of course, you know, sleepless nights. But also, um, the, the, the many parents are going to relate to this. Like, you could be extremely exhausted. But when that baby turns around and giggles, like, it all just washes away. It's like, right now.
Right now. It's just my baby and I, and everything seems to just be like, so minimal, you know?
Absolutely. You sound really, really fulfilled. And I'm so glad that you've come and shared your story with us.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Thank you. It's been really lovely talking.